Progress Report

To understand the following, please learn DNA basics as presented on Steve Morse's website From DNA to Genetic Genealogy.

We now have 27 participants who have returned Y-chromosome kits, including one who is a non-Winder representative of the Beatty group (see below) and two who have Holobaugh ancestry.

So far, results show:

  • 22 participants appear to belong to haplogroup R1b1a2, including a German participant. These participants have British ancestry.
  • 2 participants belong to haplogroup R1a1a, indicating eastern European ancestry.
  • 1 participant shows J2 ancestry, which is really ancient ancestry from the Fertile Crescent of the Mediterranean.

Click here for the chart of Y-chromosome results for the entire project.

Recently, we have been contacted by the administrator of the Beatty project. Apparently, 11 of our participants could have an ancestor named Beatty (or a large number of Beattys could have a Winders ancestor). They are the ones which combine DYS389i = 14, DYS448 = 18 and DYS442 = 11. If you look at the DNA test results for our project, you will see these marker names heading the columns. These alleles (markers) are each a bit rare and the combination is distinctly rare. A large group in the Beatty Project has a common ancestor who lived in the border region between England and Scotland about 1300-1500. This Beatty family is part of a larger group called the Beatty-Byrne cluster (BBC) which had a common ancestor a few centuries earlier. Our experience tells us that the 10 Winder(s) participants are almost certainly part of the BBC. The BBC is in haplogroup R1b1b2a1b5, and further are positive with the relatively new SNP, L159.2.

If all this seems unclear (could it possibly be?), please go to for a much more thorough discussion of haplogroups.

Clearly, we need more participants and more documentation. If you are a Winder et al willing to participate, click the "join" tab above. If you have information to add/correct the Winder Wonderland database, please contact one of the project administrators.