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- (Research):1790 Duplin Co.,NC Census page 191, next door to James Grimes on one side, the other side George Jurnigan Odum. Census for John Winders 2 males 16 and upwards, 4 females, 9 slaves.
1784-1786 census 4 males 16 and upwards ,5 females, 4 all other free persons, 3 slaves.
These Duplin Co, NC deeds were found by Christine Thacker, posted December 2000 on Winder website:
By Christine Thacker - Dec 18, 1999«tab»«tab»«tab»
B p.250 JOHN WHITEHEAD to JOHN WINDERS ,both from Duplin Co., 1 mar 1786, for 80 pds. current money 500a in 3 tracts: (1) 200a beg. at a pine at the head of Halls Marsh, being the contents of a patent granted to JOSEPH GRIMES 19 Apr 1763 which sd.GRIMES sold to sd. WHITEHEAD; (2) 200a between Goshen Swamp & the Northeast on Wolfscrape Branch, beg.at a hickory on WESTON'S line on the SS of sd branch, to a pine by the Wolf Pit, to a black jack near a drain of Hall's Marsh, to a pine in the edge of Panther Pocosin, being the contents of a patent granted to sd, WHITEHEAD 29 Oct. 1782; (3) 100a on the NS of Goshen Swamp & on the drains of Hall's Marsh joining JAMES GRIMES' line & his own, beg. at a red oak GRIMES' line on the Half-way Branch, being the contents of a patent granted to sd. WHITEHEAD 29 Oct. 1782. Wit: SAMPSON GRIMES, JAMES GRIMES, JOHN WINDERS, JUN. Apr ct. 1786. p 347 JOHN WINDERS, planter, to his son JAMES WINDERS, both of Duplin Co., 18 Nov 1786, for "natural love & affection" 304a, being part of 71, 160a formerly granted to HENRY McCULLOCH & since by the sd. McCULLOCH conveyed to Wm CANNON & by sd. CANNON to the sd. JOHN WINDERS 18 OCT 1775, which sd. 304a is in 2 tracts: (1)204a beg. at a sweet gum in King's Branch, to a maple on Wolf Branch, to a pine on McCULLOCH'S line of the great tract, crossing King's Branch: (2) 100a joining the 1st tract on the SS of King's Branch & BS of Wolf's Branch, beg. at a hickory WM. CANNON'S corner of the above granted land , to a maple in Wolf's Branch, to a dogwood on HENRY CANNON'S line, being the contents of a patent granted to WM. CANNON 16 Dec 1769. Wit: JAMES WARD, JESSE SWINSON. Jan. ct.1787. p. 349 JOHN WINDERS to JESSE SWINSON his son-in -law, both of Duplin Co., for "natural love & affection", 11 Nov 1786, 100a near a place called Wolfscrape in the fork of the NE of Cape Fear on the head of Bear Marsh, beg. at a pine below sd. marsh, granted to JOSEPH WINDERS 3 Oct 1755 & now conveyed by the sd. JOHN WINDERS to JESSE SWINSON. Wit: JAMES WINDERS, JOHN WINDERS, JAMES WARD. Jan. ct. 1787. p. 445 SAMUEL BOWDEN of Duplin Co., taylor, to JESSE SWINSON, planter of Duplin Co., 17 June 1785, for 25pds. specie 160a on the NS of Goshen Swamp & the ES of Bear Marsh, beg. at a pine JOHN WINDERS' corner, to HENRY HALLY & THOMAS BRADLEY'S lines, to a place called Calf Pen, being a part of a tract of 320a & now transferred to sd. SWINSON. Wit: JOHN WINDERS, SENR., JOHN WINDERS.
Oct. ct. 1787.
Book 3a Duplin Co., Deeds p. 73 JOHN WINDERS to JAMES KENAN, planters of Duplin Co., 20 Oct 1794, for 50 pds. current money 600a on the NS of Goshen, beg. at a cypress tree in Goshen Swamp at the run of JOHN NEWS' lower corner, by a branch above OUTLAW'S field, adj. ABSALOM WESTON, ALEXANDER ROUSE & ANDREW BASS. Wit: SAMPSON GRIMES, EDWARD WINDERS, NANCY (X) GRIMES, Oct. ct. 1794. p. 146 CURLING SMITH to JAMES WINDERS, both of Duplin Co., 20 July 1795, for 35 pds. 52a on the SS of Goshen & NS of Kings Branch, beg. at a pine on the main road sd. SMITH'S corner, to a pine on the side of the Mill Branch on JAMES WARD'S line, to a pine on THOMAS HOOKS' line. WIT: C. HOOKS, KITTY HOOKS. July ct. 1795.
p. 156 GEORGE JERNIGAN HODOM, planter to BARTHOLOMEW BURNES, both of Duplin Co., 15 Oct. 1794, for 60 pds. good & lawful money of N.C. 85a on the SS of Hookds" Marsh, beg. at a pine JAMES GRIMES' corner, adj. JOHN WINDERS & sd. GRIMES. Wit: TIMOTHY SPENCE, JOHN GIBBS. July ct. 1795.
p. 430 THOMAS HOOKS to JAMES WINDERS, both of Duplin Co., 10 Sep 1796, for 75 pds. 108a on the SS of King's Branch, being a part subdivided from sundry grants & deeds of conveyances belonging to sd. HOOKS, beg. at a holly & sweet gum in King's Branch on CHARLES HOOKS" line, along THOMAS HOOKS' patent line to a pine his corner, to HENRY CANNON'S old corner, to a poplar in King's Branch, the dividing corner between him & JOHN SOUTHERLAND, up King's Branch to sd. SOUTHERLAND'S other corner. Wit: CHARLES HOOKS, SUSANAH HOOKS. Jan. ct. 1797.
Book 4a , Duplin Co., Deeds p. 169 FELIX K. HILL of Sampson Co. to JAMES WINDERS of Duplin Co., 1 Feb 1810, for $10, 10a on the SS of Goshen Swamp & head of Cross Branch, eg. at the 3rd corner of JOHN WARD'S land about 100 yds. E of Mrs GREGORY'S old house & joining GREGORY & WARD. Wit: CHARLES HOOKS, ANN HOOKS. July ct. 1810. Submitted by Christine Grimes Thacker CGT714@aol.com
Paul Bledsoe names Joseph Winders as the father of John Winders, rather than John Winders.«tab»
From: "Ben Herron"
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:43 PM
Does anyone have any information on the Winders of North Carolina? John Winders m. Ann Bright. He and his brother-in law Stephen Herring are mentioned in the will of William Bright of Dulpin Co. NC 1762.
Stephen Herring's grandsons Bright Grooms and Stephen Herring Grooms married Catherine (1791-1862) and Winifred Winders (1791-after 1850). I think Catherine and Winifred's father was John Winders but I have not connected them to the John Winders who married Ann Bright. (We are descended from both Bright and Catherine and Stephen and Winifred. Second cousins did more than kiss.)
The Grooms boys liked to keep moving. Their parents moved from Dulpin Co., NC to GA just before they were born. Bright and Stephen moved to middle TN around the War of 1812. Bright married Catherine in Davidson Co., TN in 1813 then moved to Todd Co., KY after the war. Winifred and Stephen were married around 1816 and also moved to Todd Co.. There were other Winders in Todd Co. but I have not connected them. In the 1820's they moved to Weakley Co., TN. Stephen died in 1833. Winifred stayed in Weakley Co. but during the 1850's Bright and Catherine moved on to Texas where they died in 1862. Bright was planning on moving farther west when they died.
Ben Herron
Bristol, TN
From:
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:59 PM
Hi, I'm having a hard time trying to sort out the WINDERS, NEWS,
HERRINGS, BRIGHTS and GROOMS/CROOM. I am hoping you can help me. I am trying to confirm that Winiford WINDERS and Catherine WINDERS are daughters of John WINDERS Jr. and Tabitha NEW. I noticed you didn't have them on the list that I read.
Name; Winiford WINDERS
DOB: Abt. 1800 (based on 1850 census), possibly KY
Married: Stephen Herring GROOMS of N.C. abt. 1816/17, son of Elijah CROOM
Died: abt. 1850 Weakley County, Tennessee
Note: Susan C. GROOM, daughter, was located in Carroll County, Tn on
1850 census, living with A.H. NEW, age 52 from N.C. Susan was listed as age
18.
Name: Catherine WINDERS
DOB: 1791 N.C.
Married; Bright M. GROOMS of N.C., brother of Stephen, Aug 17, 1813 in Tn.
Died: 1862 Bowie County, Texas
NOTE; These two families were in Todd County, KY by 1823 or maybe earlier
where other WINDERS had settled. About 1826, they both moved to Weakley
County, Tennessee and purchased land.
All the best
Charlie Campbell
London, England
File contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Submitted by Grace Williamson Turner.
Source: General Assembly Session Records, November 1801-December 1801. Box 1.
To the Honorable the General Assembly of the State of North Carolina The petition of John Winders of Duplin county humbly Sheweth: That your petitioner intermarried in August 1799 with a certain Martha Turnage, with whom he lived until December 1800, when without cause on his part, a Seperation took place between them, that his wife of her own free will, left him, and by all means in her power has, and yet continues to injure him, both in property and reputation, by doing the most mischeovous and ill intended things her mind is capable of Suggesting. Under these considerations, he prays your honorable body, will take his case into consideration and grant him relief by passing a Law, securing to him his property, which she is greatly lessening, and to her such as she has or may hereafter acquire, or such other relief as may by you be thought proper and just, and he as in duty bound will pray &c John Winders _______
A Bill for the relief of John Winders of Duplin County Whereas it is represented to this General Assembly, that Martha Winders wife of John Winders of Duplin County, hath of her own free will left her Husband, to his great distress and manifest injury. Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly of the State of North Carolina, and it is hereby enacted by the authority of the same, that from and after the passing of this act, the said John Winders shall not be answerable for any debt hereafter contracted by the said Martha his wife; nor shall the said Martha Winders have any right or title of dower, or otherwise, in any estate of the said John Winders, or which he may hereafter acquire. And be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, that the said Martha Winders shall be entitled to and possess in her sole right, all such estate, either real or personal, as she now hath or may hereafter acquire, by purchase or otherwise, in as full and ample manner as if she the said Martha Winders had never been married, free and clear from the claim and claims of the said John Winders, or his creditors; and the said Martha Winders shall and may have full power to sue for and recover in any Court having cognizance thereof, from the said John Winders or any other person or persons, any property or estate to which she may be entitled, in the same manner as if she the said Martha Winders had never been married to the said John Winders, any law, custom or usage to the contrary notwithstanding.
On reverse: A Bill for the relief of John Winders of Duplin County. In Senate Novem'r 26th 1801. Read & refered to the Committee of divorce and alimony By order M. Stokes, clk
In the House of Commons 27 Nov'r 1801 read & ref'd by the Senate By order J Hunt Mr. Watkins
From: Charowalk@cs.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:49 AM
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I would be interested if anybody can find any proven information about the origin of my John Winders who died ca 1805 in Duplin Co., N.C. Without better proof I cannot accept him as a son of the John Winder (without the "S") of Maryland. So I think we are up against the same brick wall with our John Winder of Duplin Co., N.C. that you are with your Winder ancestor. I have to admit that I have not had the chance yet to study all the records in North Carolina such as Christine Thacker has, but I just don't think she has enough information to make that leap to the Winder family in Maryland. She may be right but I just don't see the connection yet.
Sincerely,
Johnny D. Walker
Hermitage, Tennessee
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