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- «b»Subject: «/b»Re: Thomas Winder - Jamaica
«b»Author: «/b»GeorgeWinder1
«b»Date: «/b»Tuesday, September 09, 2008
Hello re Thomas Winder
Thomas Was born 19March 1758 he had a daughter,Ann born about 1788 in Jamaica to a creole woman Eleanor Rose. Ann was in England when Thomas died and Married Robert Moses 20 Jan 1818(Thomas`s will is available from the National archive).
Thomas was elder brother to my great g g grandfather Richard bapt.5 Aug 1759.
Kind regards
George Winder
According to Anne Clayton from Derbyshire England. My g,g, g, g grandfather is Thomas Winder who married Eleanor Rose in Jamaica. We have family portraits of their daughter Ann who married Robert Moses.
Thomas Winder owned land in the St. Annes area of Jamaica. I think you have seen copies of his will, but he had a child by "a brown woman" (as he puts it), Eleanor Rose. This Ann Winder was sent to Boarding School in England where she was betrothed to Robert Moses (Lt. RN) who was an ensign at the battle of Trafalgar. In the will Ann Winder was named as an heiress to a large portion of the estates in Jamaica. Thomas had his will witnessed in Jamaica and then came to England to Lincoln's Inn to register the will in 1818.
Meanwhile Robert and Ann married in 1817. Thomas died soon after arriving in England but Ann had, before her marriage, agreed that her money should pass to her husband, ( married woman had no rights at this time) and this document had been registered with various lawyers. We have numerous documents relating to Robert trying to obtain his wife's inheritance, but he decided in 1821 to sail to Jamaica and fight the claim on the island.
Four months after landing in Jamaica he died of a fever. Ann was now left in England with 3 children although her oldest child Anne Elizabeth died a month after her father aged 3years old. She went to live with relatives in Appleby, Cumbria, where her third daughter, Mary Winder, born the same month her father died, eventually met and married a farmer, John Bestwick. They had seven children, the oldest William met and married Catherine Brown and eventually moved to a farm in Alstonefield. they were my Great grandparents and I have heard stories of them from my father. They had 11 children, the third one was my grandfather, Robert James. He fought in the last cavalry regiment in the 1st world war and then carried on travelling round Canada and the States. My very patient grandmother waited until he returned, they married and then had 6 children in 5years, the last two being twins. The oldest child Alan Grant Bestwick was my father. We have portraits of Ann Winder and Robert Moses. I can trace the Winder line back to George Winder born in 1710 at Kendall. The Moses family we trace back to 1625. Both these families are linked to the Brown and Nixon family. They also kept marrying cousins and brothers and sisters from the same family married brothers and sisters from other families so that the family trees keep crossing over.
- (Research):«b»From Bonnie Willacker, Jan 2015:
Documentation from Jamaican Slave Registers 1813-1834 in the Parish of St. Ann, pages 1275-1276 record the number of slaves held by the estate of the deceased Thomas Winder as 37 males and 32 females and is signed by one of his executors George Fletcher Coward onSeptember 27, 1817. On December 9, 1817 Coward adds a side note on page 1275 that a male slave is added to the count as the slave was absent from the property on September 27.
On September 25, 1817, page 1008, Issac Higgins, as executor of Eleanor Rose, deceased on the 28th day of June in the year of our Lord 1817, declares that the slaves in his possession are 2 males.
The clue to find the parents of Thomas Winder came in his will when he declared 500 pounds to his brother George and 300 pounds each to his brother, John and Richard and the same to his sisters Agnes and Elizabeth. I surmise that the additional sum to George was because he over saw the care of Ann and Thomas, his children by Eleanor Rose, after they were sent to England for education and polishing for society.
In the Marriage Contract of Ann Winder to Robert Moses, the month of January 1816 is noted as the death of Thomas Winder. In the contract he is also referred to as James Winder (Thomas Winder). This is not crossed out so it is not a mistake. In another part of the contract, mistaken words are crossed over.
Letters containing more information about Thomas Winder are copied in the book Bits & Pieces" by Bonnie Willacker. «/b»
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1758 - 1816 (57 years)
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