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- (Research):According to Bill Wallace (Dec 1998):
My great grandfather James Clinton Winder fought in the 53 IND Reg for the Union Army as did many of this brothers and one nephew. They were used to patrol and fight along the Ohio River below Louisville, KY. in the State of IN.
...I have found records in the 1900 Indiana census (soundex) that show an Annie V. and James F. Winders living together in New Amsterdam, IN. Annie gave her birthdate as June 1852, in Illinois. James Franklin's birthdate was February, 1882 in Indiana (which matches our family records)
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 5:15 PM
My mother most assuredly remembers an Uncle Dick, but never met her Uncle Bill. She remembers her father saying "Dick's" real name was Mark. Her Uncle Bill had rheumatism, and had difficulty walking (she remembers her father saying). My grandfather James Franklin had brought Bill a silver walking stick back from the Philippines.
Her Uncle Dick had serious vision problems, something about from swimming in the Mississippi and there was something in the water. He did, however continue to write my mother. She remembers receiving letters well into the 1950s. She says his handwriting was very bad, probably from his vision difficulties. When her Uncle Dick passed away, my grandmother Mabel and Uncle Les (and possibly his wife) went to the funeral.
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First, most of my Uncles remember their father, James Franklin, saying the family came from Jamestown Virginia via Wales, possibly having arrived in Virginia around 1630. That's something that will take a lot of tracking down.
I have found records in the 1900 Indiana census (soundex) that show an Annie V. and James F. Winders living (together) in New Amsterdam, IN. Annie gave her birthdate as June 1852, in Illinois. James Franklin's birthdate was February, 1882 in Indiana (which matches our family records), yet you say you have information that says she remarried in 1898. Confusing. Do you have any data to substantiate it? All I have at the moment is the census information I spoke of, and a lot of family lore to sift through. But it's hard to argue with census records where she still gave her name as Winders. Also, the James G. Winder I have found information on shows his wife's name was Ruth Tahoe.
My grandfather James Franklin was one of James Clinton's sons who came to Illinois. He enlisted in the army in Louisville in January, 1902, and was transferred to Company G of the 17th Infantry Regiment in April 1902. (I have his Soldiers Handbook.) He served in the Philippines during the insurrection, and also (supposedly) saw service in China. His "tailgate" assignment was as part of the federal troops who patrolled San Francisco after the 1906 earthquake when martial law had been declared. On his discharge, he went to work for the C B & Q railroad in Kentucky, building the railroad bridge between Kentucky and Illinois. He was eventually transferred to Aurora, Illinois in the mid-teens. He meet my grandmother, Mabel Hughes, and they were married on January 17, 1920. I was born on their 32nd wedding anniversary in 1952. The had six children, one of whom died in infancy, who, incidentally was named Anna after her grandmother Anna V. at the insistence of my grandfather. He worked for the railroad the rest of his working life. He was a construction foreman.
James Franklin passed away in April 1953 of cancer. He is buried in the Naperville Cemetery in Naperville, IL, which is where my grandmother's family had settled in the late 1850s, having come from Lebanon County, PA.
I have a few questions for you:
Do you have any scanned photos of James Clinton's grave? I would like to put one in the family history I am putting together. Is James Clinton's name on the memorial in Indianapolis? I have always been told it is.
Was Annie a christianized Cherokee American native as I have been told? You say her maiden name was Davis. I might try to find something in the Dawes Rolls if we can nail some of these details down.
I hope this helps you out, Bill. We need to continue to compare notes as we turn over rocks.
Cordially,
Mike Johnston
According to Bill Wallace (Nov 1999):
I have tried to get the winder/winders family in order for 20 yrs. Anna V. (Davis) Winder was born in IN probably Harrison Co. She married James Clinton in 1869 in Harrison Co. IN. Anna was born ca 1855. James died in 1896 and in 1898 Anna married Emanuel Plaiss in Harrison Co. and I lost track of her.
James Clinton Winder is buried in a cemetary in New Amsterdam, Harrison Co. IN. I visited the grave and have pictures of it. His tombstone says he was in the 53 IND REG. during the civil war. One of his sons Marcus Lafayette Winders (nicked name Dick) was my grandfather and he lived around Tolu, Fords Ferry and Smithland, KY in Crittenden and Livingston Co. along the Ohio River.
I believe the Bill Winders your [Mike Johnton's] mother is referring to was a brother to Dick and son of James C. and was a barber in Louisville, KY. I am not totally sure exactly what he did for a living. They started adding the s to Winder around the time my grandfather was borned.
The Winder Family always said they were from Bucks Co. PA. in fact James Clinton and another child listed place of birth as PA. I cannot track them back there, I have not connected one generation from this area to the Winder's in PA. I think some of the Winders migrated to IL from IN but I did not try to connect them. There was another group of Winder's in Livingston-Crittenden Co. they did not connect to my PA bunch.
According to Mike Johnston (June 2000):
Please bear in mind that Bill Wallace has yet to PROVE the connection with anyone named Marsham Winder, or his wife, Rebecca. The information that can be CONFIRMED goes back to James G. Winder.
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